I ordered a OGIO - Element Messenge and they got it from a third party. Well the third party mailed it to the wrong address. So I contacted the company I bought it from Sears. They told me it would take 2 business days to figure this out. Well they did I guess and just refunded my money back. No phone call like they said they would. I will never use them again and would recommend you too as well. Big waste of time. They do not care about you the customer at all. Buyer be ware