I bought a pair of the Phil Gates no liner pants in the spring. Put them on, felt great. However, I couldn't unbutton them. When I finally pulled hard enough, the button (female portion) broke off. I decided to return and try again, thinking that I got a dud. A month later, the new pair show up. Exact same thing happens. It sucks, because I like the feel and look of the pants. They have some sort of problem with their buttons that needs to be fixed. I can't recommend these pants to anyone.