There is no way that anyone can legitimatly win on this site i bought a bid pack for $20.00 all my bids are almost gone and i have seen the same hagglers on multiple pages how and why would you sit at the computer that long its beyond me they have to be employees being paid to raise bids on expensive items no one is going to take a loss of more than 10% on any site I asked a question on the site as to why the timer does not ever run out you can keep bidding indefinitly up to and beyond what the item really costs if someone on the otherside is willing to sit there as long as you can not a great site but not setup good also, Take your money elsewhere.