Ian J.

Ok, I gave this site three stars because it is the only site I have tried that actually turned up a real woman behaving like a sane human being and willing to work at a relationship like an adult rather than a 13 year old. HOWEVER, there are a couple of things users have to understand to get the most out of this site.

First, men can't just sit on their butt and wait for a woman they like to respond. You have to go out and make the effort and the first move. If you are 50 seeking a 20 year old, that means a lot of girls are not going to reply. Fdating isn't quite the real world, but it is a hellofa lot closer than the pay to communicate sites. Men have to make the first move to get the girl they want, and the girls on FDating are not paid to correspond with you so if they are not interested, they won't respond.

Making the first move is also likely to cut down on the number of scammers you have to deal with. Of the women who first-responded to my profile, over 80% were scammers. Of the women I contacted first and then responded, that number dropped to less than 30%. So yes, there is a scammer problem but it is somewhat controllable and less of a problem than on most of the other sites.

Second, most "advice" sites tell you to use the correspondence tools of the dating site and not to go to a private e-mail account. I don't know who is giving this advice, but if you are doing your diligence and using initial e-mail correspondence to get info and set up a face to face date AND as your scam filter, getting to a specially set up gmail account is your best weapon to uncovering the scammers. Better yet, get them on skype or some other network that allows direct contact, preferably with video. Anyone sincere about a relationship should be willing to do this. If they refuse to communicate with you other than through e-mail or the site this should raise flags to proceed carefully, and that person should be blacklisted if any additional suspicions are raised.

Finally, and this applies to all internet contacts, you must be disciplined in your approach. NEVER send money. NEVER send account information. NEVER be a conduit for mail or shipments. The whole scammer game is to try to get you to think a person attractive to you loves you, and that if you loved them you would trust them. You should assume you are being lied to until you have a face to face and can assess the situation in person. Your attitude should also be that YOU are the prize, not this person you have never actually seen! Don't believe the pictures they give you until you see the real person in the photos and good luck.

BTW, the moniker is obviously not me. It is one of the photos sent to me by a scammer and when put through several independent scam screens turned up as a common picture used by scams. This girl is very attractive and I now have a catalogue of pictures of her from scammers ranging from when she was just a teen to a much more mature lady in her 30's, and that is just in the past two months!

Just an average guy in his 40's, divorced, trying out different approaches. I signed up for a free account to "Ukrainedate" to check out the service AFTER doing a little research on these sites and understanding the scamming problem. In my case, scamming wasn't really a problem, the website administrators themselves were the problem!

First, I got about 3x more messages than profile visits, which should make anyone question the legitimacy of this site and the profiles on it. Who messages someone without even visiting the guys profile?! It wasn't the same girls sending followup messages, it was just people sending messages.

Second, my "plan" was to use the site for a couple weeks to check it out, build up a list of potential "dates," and an email list before subscribing for a month and following up with the women on the list. I never got the chance. Apparently if you get too many messages and don't immediately respond to them, which requires taking out a subscription, the site just terminates your profile without notice! How on earth can this site justify terminating an account as dangerous or fraudulent when the account user hasn't even responded to anyone?! BTW, I got nowhere near my two week goal, my profile was deleted after 3 days!

This site is only interested in providing male users with one thing: A bottomless pit to throw their money into. So much so that if you don't play their game and give them access to your credit card or bank account quickly enough for them, they will just delete you from their service.

I can't say yet if the complaints about other sites are true, but of the one's I tried, at least they don't just delete your account for trying to get around the scamming. Ukrainedate is brazen about it! Not only do they use the same scam agencies as other sites for their women profiles, they also insist on unnecessary disclosure from male subscribers and will delete your account if you don't provide them with the cash they are seeking to relieve you of.

Their claims for needing more disclosure from males to maintain the "integrity" of the site is complete nonsense! It isn't the guys that are a problem. "ukrainedate" claims they are trying to protect the women from criminal predators, but criminal predators are not likely, nor in a position to spend thousands to prey on a girl in a foreign country with so many women right at home for free! Give me an example of this problem! Criminal sex deviants on foreign dating sites are literally one in billions! Furthermore, a criminal predator is going to have to plow through the same mass of fraudulent women profiles to find the odd legitimate girl to prey on a subscriber has to deal with to find a date! It is idiotic to think anyone would do this when there are many free sites for making local contacts that don't require expensive travel and the possibility the "victim" won't even show up because she is a bought and paid for fantasy!

On the flipside, there is the very real and rampant problem of fraudulent women profiles which Ukrainedate does absolutely nothing about. In fact they encourage it by using outside agencies to supply them profiles for a fee! That's right, many, many of the female profiles on their site are not those of subscribers to a service, they are actually women Ukrainedate is paying to write to men! Well, I say women writing to men, but there is no proof that is what's happening. It may just be some dude called Boris posting pictures of a model and sending you messages to keep the click count up and the money rolling in. I've heard stories of guys actually meeting Ukrainian women and being told by the woman she didn't actually write any of the correspondence. This is true btw of a number of sites, it isn't unique to ukrainedate, but Ukrainedate is the only one I am aware of that mistreats it's male users on a ridiculous pretense while encouraging female profile scamming by paying disreputable agencies to obtain profiles and post as females to their site.

Bottom line, Ukrainedate, at best, is no better than the worst of the scam sites. They claim to police their profiles, but the truth is this is just a ruse that makes absolutely no sense at all. They "police" their subscribers and make determinations on undisclosed criteria, while at the same time littering their site with fake profiles from agencies they pay to respond as females and are known to be a haven for internet scammers.

BTW, if they delete your account and you were stupid enough to buy one of their subscriptions, they won't give you a refund/partial refund. It is in their terms of service. You have to rely on your bank to successfully run a fraud check, which might be embarrassing for you in disclosing you did business with these people.

If you still feel compelled to have a Ukrainian girlfriend/wife, I suggest doing one of two things:

First, use any agency other than Ukrainedate. Sure you are going to have to deal with the ever-present fake profiles, but at least you don't have to put up with abuse and Ukraindates pathetic excuse for "customer service."

Second, you could just do a little research and then take a holiday to Ukraine. It is a beautiful country, the people are wonderful, and it is dirt cheap. If you get out as a foreigner you will meet Ukrainian girls, and girls in Europe in general (Eastern Europe especially) are much less prone to game playing than American girls. Trust me, I lived in Europe for years and dating there was much less complicated and traumatic than it is here. You are also less likely to get scammed by a real girl you meet on holiday than a virtual one you meet on a scam dating site. Just go and have a good time! These scam agencies give a wonderful country a bad name.