I'm sorry to have to write this review but I can't stay silent any longer! I've ordered from llbean since the 80's when their clothing was made with quality. Over the years ive seen it steadily go downhill. As a result the only thing I still order is their turtlenecks. WELL, I've always worn a size large until several years ago the large would shrink so much that the sleves were 4" to short and they no longer stayed tucked in. So, I went to the XL until 2 years ago when the same thing happened. A month ago I ordered 1xl ones and after washing them twice the sleves are again to short and they will hardly stay tucked in, ugh. My size has remained the same so I know the fault lies in the product itself. These recent turtlenecks will be returned and I will discontinue any further llbean purchases. It's sad that the quality of llbean is so poor now, yet their prices are still so high..