Got the grip thing and it doesn't hold crap. Sorry, it was suppose to hold an ipad mini, not even close and the grip thing does even hold on it's own, I put it on a wooden shelf and after 1 minute it just falls off, with nothing attached to it LOL... tried to return it, they want me to take videos and send pictures... what... I don't have time to do that for a $20 are you kidding me? I have 3 kids a business to run and everything else you can think off, I am not about to spend time doing videos to do a return... get with it WIKI - STORE, you will be out of business with service like this before you know it, I just feel bad for the employees there that have to deal with the management... keep my $20, go to town.