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Online Businesses Reviewed on Sitejabber for "king" to "kiss"

raneea
Ranee A.
87 reviews
149 helpful votes
1/9/19
Would highly recommend. Prices are decent and ethical. Will generally happily honor expired sales earlier in the year to keep business. Been purchasing appliances from them for years and enjoy the quality of their products. They'll happily swap out the old ones and take them with them at generally no cost. They treat all their customers the same. Whether you're purchasing a small $30...
jayp339
5 reviews
3 helpful votes
11/6/19
I buy almost exclusively King Arthur products for all my bread making. (If they had OO flour and cornmeal, I'd never go anywhere else. I have found the recipes to always be easily doable and tasty.
mickl8
1 review
1 helpful vote
1/2/14
This is just plain theft. You get scammed by the .co.uk suffix and the "too good to be true" prices (yes, I know...) and you pay your money. And then....... NOTHING. ZIP. NADA. I ordered a Nikon battery on 18th November 2013. I have had no reply to emails sent to the company and there are no other contact details on their website. KEEP WELL CLEAR. DO NOT USE. EVER.
igorc
1 review
3 helpful votes
6/14/11
Заказывал iphone прислали майку, очень разочарован если не сказать больше. Никому не советую там покупать.
gokans
1 review
0 helpful votes
1/15/19
I've ordered 2 items on 12/10/2018 from this website and unfortunately they've never contacted me with a confirmation email nor sent the items. I am trying to get my money back with the help of my bank.
stephenu3
3 reviews
0 helpful votes
8/28/17
Horrible. they called me about a iPhone I was selling on Craigslist they wanted me to come in so they can buy it from me so I took it in (this was 45 minute drive for me ) And they offerd me $50 for the phone that I was asking $250 they made me drive all the way out there just to lowball me
karusunek
Samuel P.
96 reviews
180 helpful votes
10/30/18
Kingdom of Loot is a game developed by EPICBEYOND Studios and was a part of Steam's Early Access program. Since the game was offered it has had a price tag on it and those which bought into it were promised the full game on release. Now, they are pulling the product from Steam and have also claimed they will continue working on it, but potentially make it a "free to play" game, which means...
kirstyh7
1 review
0 helpful votes
4/4/17
One star is too much. I suspect Kingdom Interiors are no longer trading. Either that or they are incompetent. They are not answering emails or phone calls. I placed an order a few weeks ago and have heard nothing. Their Facebook page has disappeared too. DO NOT BUY FROM THIS COMPANY! YOU WILL NOT GET YOUR GOODS!
montyg5
1 review
0 helpful votes
2/16/20
This guy owns a FB site and numerous people on other sites like me have been complaining about orders from as far back as Sept. of last year. It took over 3 months to get my order. This was after he lied numerous times about where it was and saying he was sending the next day 3 times. Even gave out a tracking number once that did not even work. In the end did not even get the right items. ...
renek36
1 review
0 helpful votes
9/12/19
My claim is that the owner sold me tires that are the wrong size and I want my money back as its a safety issue. Simple. Either work with me or not. It cost me to have the broken brake sensor (which Sam is supposed to have replaced) replaced and I am not even claiming that. I guess you win some and you loose some in life. I am sure he is not going to do anything for me. I will let Karma do its...
rr268
1 review
0 helpful votes
12/8/19
In the past 2 years, I have used kingessays to complete 7 papers, however, within the last 6 months and as of today, they have provide less than satisfactory work. The last time, I used them, I didn't even get the paper I paid for or any paper. My last order was for a business plan/proposal for a healthcare topic, 12 pages in length for $238.85 (a discount due to me being dissatisfied on a...

Tip for consumers: I wouldn't refer them.

garym492
Gary M. – King Essays Rep
Dear R.R,

Thank you for your review!
Please accept our apology for any difficulties you had with us. We believe there has been some misunderstanding, because we always strive to assist our clients as much as possible. We would like to ask you to provide us with the order ID, so that we can launch investigation and figure out the best compensation for you in case we were wrong. Customers' satisfaction is our top priority, so we will highly appreciate if you get back to us with the reply. We are looking forward to hearing from you soon!

Kind regards,
Kingessays Team
chirags3
1 review
0 helpful votes
9/28/16
STAY AWAY from this company!! Absolutely unprofessional, they refuse to give you a price quote for a simple spring replacement over the phone. I called several other repair companies and everyone gave an exact quote right over the phone. The guy showed up at my door and quoted you an absolutely ridiculous price; 3 times higher than every other estimate; when I told him his price was...

Tip for consumers: STAY AWAY!! Call someone who will give you a quote over the phone, or give you a free estimate. This company's policy is to give you ridiculous quotes in person, and then demand a $29 service fee for coming over and doing nothing.

joseb64
1 review
0 helpful votes
7/22/16
The hair extension comes in a fancy box and looks like a gift. As a hair dresser for over 15 years, as soon as I opened it, I can tell right away they are real hair. They are very silky, straight, no tangles.The color looks ultimately natural, black and brown. They don't look different at all comparing to my hair. I don't have to have them dyed to match my hair. The first thing I did when I...
codyh67
1 review
1 helpful vote
10/10/19
I purchased a chain and sun glasses from here. The chain yet early to say because I've only had for a week is nice and I like it. May feel differently later tho. The glasses were 120$ and they are cheap as $#*!. It's hard to explain but the side pieces are uneven there's a much bigger gap on one side then the other. I wore them once and noticed right away. Feels awkward on my face and looks...
kingi3
King I. – KingIce Rep
Hey there!
We sent you a private message to assist you in correcting this. We apologize for any negative experience you may have had. Please get back to us and we will be happy to proceed further in assisting you.
natalil4
2 reviews
0 helpful votes
4/6/16
Great packaging and very delicious sushi I felt like if i was in Japan guys Thank you
bm377
1 review
0 helpful votes
1/27/20
I wouldn't give it one star...I was sent a cancelled order that I requested KingLinen and FedEx to stop shipment. KingLinen had it sent anyway and then did not give me my full refund. I contacted them and was continually hung up on. I had to contact my credit card company to get my money back.!
robj45
2 reviews
7 helpful votes
7/5/17
Hangzhou KingMa Ware Trading Company Sophie Sun - Manager These people are crooks, They promise the world and once they have your money they lie and lie until they are forced by Alibaba to Send the goods but once you get them they don't work. Sophie Sun is behind all these lies, pretends she is soooo poor etc etc but only when caught. SAY AWAY from them
jilld41
1 review
2 helpful votes
1/26/17
Stay way. Took a month to get products and they are cheap and fake. They sent me wrong charm instead of the one I ordered and told me they could do nothing except for me 30% on a reorder. Are you kidding me? I have since called my card company and had the charge reversed. I am sure they will not protest. The card company is now also investigating fraud. I suggest anyone robbed by them do the...
tonic6
2 reviews
12 helpful votes
10/20/12
Just had to do a review on King of Jewelry. They sell beautiful quality jewelry and their customer service is excellent, to the point of above and beyond what you could expect from any business, they worked endlessly to help us get what we wanted at a price we could afford all being done while my husband was in Iraq.The prices are better then you could hope to find anywhere else without losing...
timb47
1 review
5 helpful votes
1/27/14
kingofscoring.com is a complete scam. They do not have any of the merchandise they list on their site. Their sole purpose is to obtain your credit card information to use for illegal purposes. They advertise free shipping but yet charge you $18 per item to your credit card. They do not supply any delivery information which is the obvious indication that they have no intentions of delivering...
sarahb321
1 review
4 helpful votes
7/9/17
I purchased photoshop from them in 2013 and it has just been shut down by adobe because it is fake. Their email address and numbers do not work. I am reporting them. DO NOT BUY FROM THIS SITE.
taylorl102
Taylor L.
1 review
0 helpful votes
2/19/20
Always shop of KoS for my bottle needs. This order is for a cake and I knew I could rely on them to be fast and professional.
katrinaa1
2 reviews
3 helpful votes
10/27/10
I made over a $100 order through their site with my credit card and they never sent me my product and took my money off my card.
johnt924
2 reviews
1 helpful vote
12/29/18
They take your money and never pay you in full, always excuses and the most famous one is that their bank is restricted. Which means???? who the hell knows. Been fighting for 4 months to get 40 K and nothing. DO NOT GET SCAMMED
linz7
4 reviews
3 helpful votes
11/5/19
They should have it so that the winner cannot enter for 6 months or whatever. It seems RIGGED. Not honest. .
bennetts31
2 reviews
0 helpful votes
1/25/20
They are complete frauds! How they are #1 on duck duck go i will never know. I've done multiple reviews and even made a website so no-one else gets ripped off. Their is great communication until you send the money then they ghost you. 2 weeks later he called me blocked saying my package is in customs that i need to send a refundable fee of another 300$ DO NOT DO IT! THEY WILL TAKE YOUR MONEY!!
jamesr367
1 review
0 helpful votes
4/5/18
Love this fridge! Looks fabulous and works wonderful!! I love the locking feature and the blue light looks so classy!
johnf1055
1 review
1 helpful vote
6/12/19
On the morning of June 10, 2019, I was driving on Hwy 99 in the middle lane near Stockton CA when a Kingsburg Towing Truck quickly pulled up behind (I was going 70 miles/hr) & trailed gated me for about 1/2 mile before passing me -The driver was going at least 75 miles/Hr. I reported the incident to the towing truck's office (Bus. Phone No. *******596) & asked the dispatcher to have the...
tomk420
2 reviews
9 helpful votes
2/23/19
I cannot find what I bought from Kingsbuying but I'm very annoyed by the subsequent ceaseless sales emails I've been receiving from them. If you ever see Kingsbuying as a vendor I will avoid the sale unless you like SPAM in your inbox.
micheala31
1 review
3 helpful votes
2/22/20
I migrated from godaddy to kingscel and I must be frank here, these guys are the best, such fast hosting and excellent customer support provided by the lady-Julia
dejak1
2 reviews
6 helpful votes
5/25/15
Customer service was beyond amazing and DeeDee really worked to create a fairytale dress for me. There were a couple of snags when the dress arrived (it was white instead of ivory and the waist looked a bit wide) however, these are simply the consequences of having an entire dress made through an online conversation. She did her best considering we're hundreds of miles a part and with white and...
syeda93
1 review
3 helpful votes
7/17/19
SCAM!! Absolute disgusted by this company. They had called me in for a interview which I past and then went in for a second interview to which they said they want me to do a 2 day trial unpaid which I did and the sales team loved me and my work ethics was apparently what they was looking for. I was then told to meet the Director who was a complete joke. He asked me to pay him £1000 in order for...
keiraf
14 reviews
14 helpful votes
9/23/16
The number one locksmith in Sydney! Kingsford Locksmiths provides the best services and products. The cost is reasonable as well and they are really reliable during emergency situation.
danieller52
1 review
0 helpful votes
5/11/17
This place is a joke customer service sucks, they are out to matipulate you & get over on you.. we had the wrong mattress delivered 8 weeks ago & it has been a run around.. The owner refuses to call me when I have called several times asking to talk to him. He knows I'm right they screwed up & cant take responsibility for it!!
sherrys59
1 review
0 helpful votes
10/25/16
I love King Games but am very tired of using many lives and lots of time on one level. I got into Farm Heroes Super Saga and the hard levels use a lot of lives and take a long time to pass. This game gives you friends to play with but I have reached a level where I'm down to three friends and they don't give me lives or growth any more. I quit Candy Crush a long time ago because I couldn't...
claires89
5 reviews
16 helpful votes
7/21/19
Seriously, they should not advertise their products, nor be named, "King Size". The light compression socks we purchased were the largest they had available. My boyfriend is an ex-football player who is truly king size. He is tall, with large calves and feet. The compression socks he received were utterly ridiculous! They would probably fit a tall, slim-legged mannequin but not a real king...
michaell2063
1 review
0 helpful votes
2/15/20
I bought a pair of sport sandals made for Kingsize, at 2 months and 5 days old they began to come apart, but they don't stand behind their own labeled merchandise, do not shop with these people, go to DXL where they appreciate and take care of their customers.
zaral11
1 review
1 helpful vote
11/19/18
We pride ourselves on providing high quality luxury Watch box australia and watch winders. We desire to make the process from choosing your perfect watch box to it arriving at your door step the easiest and quickest process. You can end up accumulating a good variety of men's watches for different occasions or to match with different attires. After a while, you might want to organise your...
johnl1129
2 reviews
0 helpful votes
10/11/18
I received Best bespoke tailors nearby me. Style+comfort both defined by Kingsley tailors very well. Wonderful job!!!
ammonc2
1 review
2 helpful votes
3/19/19
This place is a RIP off. Save your money. It has nothing to do with being a snake farm. It is a joke the amount of money you have to pay. Then you go around the corner to the first snake and you will feel like asking for your money back I promise you. Real snake exist in towns like Houston. Not Austin Price gouge the hell out of you. I believe the people of Houston are the ones that fund your...
melissad15
4 reviews
8 helpful votes
9/1/13
This site covers all its bases and has pretty intense, objective reviews for the gym equip that it sells. Called a bunch of other sites who were annoying me with callbacks. I like this site. If you call them they take the time to talk you normally.
daleh1
6 reviews
9 helpful votes
2/1/10
Fun for a while but it's increasingly time consuming if you want to compete. Unfortunately it becomes too time consuming and if you want any hope of not being attacked all the time you need to spend your money quick and use a stupid ciicking device. Essentially you earn money by raiding others or getting upkeep which is based on how many soldiers you have, so they introduced a software where...
melissal93
1 review
0 helpful votes
12/4/16
The Text message system SUCKS. I decided to swith to text messaging several months ago and since doing so I have NEVER recieved text notification when Any of my prescriptions were filled consequently. I ran out of a prescription THAT IMPORTANT TO MY health. I realized I didn't have any more of this particular med and was told it had been filled 9 days prior.. I told the person on the phone...
christ357
1 review
0 helpful votes
11/8/18
Terrible service, avoid Terrible service, they advertised a signed bundle from one of my favourite bands, when it turned up to the uk it was missing the signed parts which was the only reason I purchased it,they just refunded me about 10% without warning me and didn't even offer a returns, so Iv payed about £70 for a lp I could have brought in the uk for £15, bunch of crooks, they should know...
sylviar1
1 review
1 helpful vote
6/24/13
This website wasted my time by having me fill out the form.They said that I had to have money in my account.When I tried to get them back,they wouldn't respond.
jims87
2 reviews
4 helpful votes
9/19/13
I found this "company" has the same contact details as another "dodgy" site I reported: memorycow.co.uk (they asked for credit card details on an insecure web page) Strangely it seems to have gone down at the moment. However, I'm sure that Kingston Technologies might have something to say about the use of their trade name and logo on this site. Can this "company " really seem any more dodgy?
teresam39
3 reviews
6 helpful votes
9/24/15
We were leasing our 4th vehicle from Kingston Nissan and were very pleased with the vehicles and customer service each time. This last experience however, was more than disappointing. I traded in my 2012 Nissan Rogue for a 2015 Nissan Pathfinder. I love the car. I was told that my old lease which was up was paid in full. However a month after the deal I received a notice saying I still...
ruthj13
1 review
3 helpful votes
8/29/14
Kings Travel World was referred by me friend for our Mauritius trip. Initially I was not much aware about their services but their team did a wonderful job with fast processing. We didn't worried for anything. Kings Travel world whole team helped us by booking budgeted flights and booked star accommodation, so we didn't find any difficulty in search of a good hotel deals when we reached...

Tip for consumers: I have only one thing to suggest don't go with the search quality of a website rather check the quality of their service providing to us.

jamesl1288
1 review
0 helpful votes
2/16/20
Paid almost $50 for a Windows key. It did not work. They won't refund my money. PayPal won't do anything about it.. Stay away, spend your money with a reputable company.
johns1767
John S. – Kinguin Rep
Hello,
Please accept our sincerest apologies for the encountered difficulties.
We do understand the inconvenience you have faced and we will be more than happy to assist you.
In order for us to be able to address the case, however, please share your ticket ID or order number with us.
Kind regards,
Tony
giw1
7 reviews
27 helpful votes
11/27/12
First online web site purchase. Product received was defective. Notified owner/merchant/vendor of my intent to return the defective product and request a full refund however the owner attacked my character and credibility. Owner/merchant/vendor has received the defective product back in his possession however have yet to receive any form of refund. Have disputed transaction with my bank to...
budb25
2 reviews
5 helpful votes
6/3/19
Over all the site has a good lay out but I don't believe there are any real people here looking for fun. I've been on this site for two months and only been contacted by scammers directing me to other sites. there's no customer support team to speak to when you have a problem. And in my opinion I believe the people running the site are involved in trying to steal your information. Do not use...
nathalies
24 reviews
24 helpful votes
11/12/15
I ordered some pantyhoses and a dress. Everything came like they said on the website. The shippingcosts varies and depend on how many items you buy,they overreact in weight so you pay more on shipping than nessecary. All of their clothing is in calculated in pounds, so the prices are quite high. And they don't change a lot in the assortment. Never had a complaint so I don't know how the...
rachelw211
1 review
0 helpful votes
5/22/19
They do not upload your review if you rate them as poor. I bought their frontal, and it did not have enough hair on it for the price which was almost 200. Plus, they don't give you a refund if you're not satisfied. Save yourself some time and look elsewhere.
judiei
1 review
4 helpful votes
6/13/17
I purchased a lace front wig. The wig was thin, sparse, very low density. I emailed the company immediately expressing my disdain. 365.00 should be of much better quality. They refused to return it stating it was because of hygiene reasons. I pleaded with them the wig was intact with lace and tags, never tried on. Please take my advice do not buy anything from this company. The models on their...
indrojitm
1 review
0 helpful votes
11/24/19
Most Trusted Store. I have purchased so many product from this store and every time I got good service. their service, product, price, shipping method everything is just awesome. I can say its trustworthy
rogerj10
1 review
1 helpful vote
2/21/14
One-stop shop to upload your film and get it onto multiple vod platforms.
sergeyg24
17 reviews
5 helpful votes
3/20/18
Лучший сайт ! Здесь можно найти всё, что пожелаешь, и даже больше! Просто превосходный сайт! Качество контента впечатляет!
laurentiua
1 review
0 helpful votes
2/12/16
Just a short review: I've been using https://kinsta.com WordPress hosting for a while now and I've never had such support from any other company in my life. This is not an ad, I gain nothing from this. It's just an honest review. The websites are loading instantly, the support is extremely knowledgeable and replies fast, the interface is great (it doesn't allow me to easily save a backup of the...
raunief
3 reviews
0 helpful votes
1/24/20
One of my absolute favorite brands! No matter what I'm looking for, I can always rest easy knowing I will find what I need with KINX. I love it!
lyndiec
1 review
1 helpful vote
1/10/10
I ordered a purse after seeing their advertisement on Craigslist. I thought because the site said they were Paypal verified it would be legit. When I placed my order a Red Flag in my mind came up when I saw I was paying someone called *******@gmail.com NOT kioioi.com. I just figured because I was dealing with china this was still okay. A week later, still no confirmation, still no...
kennyt5
3 reviews
15 helpful votes
12/12/14
A top quality hosting service with quick and efficient support at lowest price. Their customer service is helpful.
graces27
5 reviews
0 helpful votes
9/20/16
Kiosks Inc's services are top class. You don't have to keep calling them to get your kiosks delivered. You give the order and they deliver it in the promised time. And even in the kiosks they delivered, there wasn't even a single feature missing that we wanted. Go for them!
roberts1994
2 reviews
1 helpful vote
9/12/19
I bought a new compact Kioti tractor a couple years ago and all went well until I had an issue with it two months before the warranty expired...wouldn't start. I'm an older retired fellow and had no need to buy a trailer so I asked the dealership if they could deliver it under these circumstances. No problem, it was delivered the next day. Now, back to the starter problem, having no trailer I...
lanef
115 reviews
271 helpful votes
9/22/19
I purchased a Kipling from an NYC luggage shop (2004) it is a crossbody/backpack and I still use it and put it in the washer when it needs to be cleaned. I have been ordering Kipling fanny packs and convertibles from the site without issue. They sent the bags to me within a few hours of ordering (2018). I did not deal with consumer service and I live near a Kipling store if anything goes wrong....
michaelw1725
6 reviews
3 helpful votes
1/6/20
An absorbing read. Advice I always appreciate and many times a resource that influences my outlook on my investments.
jennys247
1 review
0 helpful votes
11/3/19
Super! Bei telefonischer späterer Veränderung der Bestellung sehr hilfsbereite Mitarbeiter! Aber mehr gibt's nicht zu sagen, hier 100 Zeichen zusammenzukriegen ist eine Zumutung;-)
ceeg
1 review
2 helpful votes
3/9/11
I paid to have a reletive inmate call and Kiraintl is supposed to be cheaper and better service. they ended up being neither the charged my card and didnt provide me with the service i have tried to cal them and it goes to a cell phone voicemail and emailing them is a joke and it does no good. FYI Dont ever use this service!!!
kirant10
1 review
0 helpful votes
11/24/19
One of the best car hires, taxis, tempo traveller and mini bus hire in Ahmedabad. and payoff a car and easily accessible to customers, to assure riskless and trusty cab journey enable them with profession.
kirbym20
1 review
0 helpful votes
12/11/14
Kirby Mowbray is once again recognized as one of top most hired Catwalk Make-Up Artist in Wollongong Sydney. She delivers all her models to stand out above the others and shine at the most. If you want also to experience like them, you may contact her at Phone 0421 775 879.
debrak253
1 review
0 helpful votes
1/24/20
The Magnolia Cow 223307WEB has paint platters on the right ear and the picture had a wrinkle on the side where folded. I sent a review for 3 stars detailed why and the review was there for a second and deleted. 5 out of 8 reviews where listed with 5 stars but others where gone. This a a poor quality store with cheap stuff at an high prices. Loved the picture but felt ripped off.
candrias
12 reviews
4 helpful votes
9/1/18
I have always Loved Kirks Folly Items. I've bought many things in the past from a Shopping Channel. I did not know they are still in Business. I will definitely search for them online.
allenm60
2 reviews
5 helpful votes
3/4/18
They don't read the entire book when they review it. They left out the major event of my Viet Nam war novel called "TIN CAN," which happened to be a mutiny and they said it does not stand out from the crowd of Viet Nam narratives, if you can believe that! How many narratives contain a mutiny in the U.S. Navy where the crew takes a fully-armed destroyer away from the admirals and delivers it to...
tinar2
42 reviews
148 helpful votes
9/22/10
This site is a different kind of social media site. It is like a twitter/digg/youtube thing going on. They have a pretty easy sign-up. But once your through the door you are flooded with posts of people pitching their sites. And not all of them are in one language. Half or more of the posts sometimes are not readable. Spam and phishing as well as adult sites can be frequently stumbled upon...
leiz7
1 review
1 helpful vote
3/15/18
I am a kids' boutique owner and bought some princess dresses from Kiskissing at the beginning of this spring. They sell well on the local market. High quality and cuddly material, rich styles, dedicated customer service, but the shipping is relatively slow. I will buy from kiskissing.com again.
garyr258
1 review
0 helpful votes
11/11/18
Very interesting posts about Jonathan Greenberg online. I always am cautionary when evaluating online posts because there is usually two sides to every story; however, reading the highly charged and cautionary language made me realize that these posts are most likely correct. When I started to read some of the highly negative posts online, I got a chill down my spine and my negative...
mohammadk14
1 review
0 helpful votes
4/22/15
Today I found this website, and surprice when I saw the price in website, its much more cheaper then any website in uae, usually i buy product from souq.com, but i found this website is cheper the souq.com. But only problem is they dont sale mobiles, I think they having Photography Product only as per there website,
davidz186
2 reviews
0 helpful votes
12/2/19
Fake website. Whole bunch of bots that explained as "service" that you can not turn on. So or you ignore those and miss real messages, or reply and look like stupid answering to questions no one asked. Do not waste your time and money.
jackiel44
6 reviews
8 helpful votes
3/6/18
I have used one or two products from Kiss Cosmetics in the past, and recently I needed a concealer, and was on a budget and I decided to try the RK by Kiss Pure Mineral Concealer, High Definition Smart Blend in the color RMC03A, Rich Caramel. Of course i was a bit skeptical about the amount of coverage that this product would give me, but I decided to take a chance. I bought this product...
clarkkentk
151 reviews
2,385 helpful votes
8/8/16
I'm wondering if there's some competition between this site and the Caroline-Mutoko-fueled Mpasho.co.ke. Anyway, this site offers probably exactly what you'd expect it to offer, only the latest hottest gossip making the rounds in Nairobi. But still, cliche gimmicks abound
alokb10
1 review
0 helpful votes
2/24/20
In there website it it stated that the ticket price will be refunded in case of Visa rejection. The price I paid for the ticket was EUR 495 but they gave me refund of EUR 50. However, I declined and requested for route change (route which doesn't required visa for me) through my kiss and fly account. I have checked the price for that route before giving them the route and it was around 550....